Interviews are always over-hyped. These days, with thousands of media mouths to feed, interviews are surface-friendly, a big splash to hook the reader and then very little content. Stars and directors do not grant, as they did in the past to the likes of Rolling Stone or Vanity Fair, in-depth interviews where the journalist has been granted several days holed up with the subject.
More likely, a reporter is stitching something together after being in a room with a hundred other media skunks being told the same rehashed story.
So it came as an enormous surprise to find an interview as refreshing as this. In part it succeeds because the interviewer isn’t a journalist at all, but an actor, Paul Mescal, star of Scott’s latest opus, Gladiator II, and in part because it reads like a conversation between mates, one where the dialog follows no set path as it would had a journalist been in charge and dives into the director’s artistic development in great detail. Part of the joy of the feature is that Mescal ignored four pages of “suggested questions” set by The Guardian newspaper’s features team in favor of going his own way. So what we get is Scott responding to Mescal’s urgent curiosity rather than to an old hack asking the same old questions.
Scott explains his obsession with cinema from an early age resulted in him getting a free pass to his local Odeon by agreeing to paint huge posters for their forthcoming features. At night he watched television endlessly – “image, image, image,” he recalls.
He had little intention of pursuing a cinematic career when studying at art college in 1962 but came across a 16mm Bolex cine camera and decided to make a short film, Boy and Bicycle (1965), funded to the tune of £65 by the college, and helped along by brother Tony, mother doing the voiceover, which he later edited at the BBC, sneaking in at night when everyone had gone home. He didn’t learn to edit – he just did it. At the BBC where he originally worked as a set designer he was considered “the oik from up north” compared to the Oxbridge set in power. Paid £75 a week, he was delighted to be offered commercials which paid £100 a time. So he quit the BBC and set up his own advertising business, making 100 commercials a year. “I learned that the best and fastest solution – because I paint with pictures – was to be a camera operator….I could do anything with a camera.” And did that job on Alien, Thelma and Louise and others.
On Blade Runner, he was “inventing the wheel…a new language but I wasn’t a kid. I was 44 and already had my second Rolls Royce.”
The most important lesson he learned was casting. “I try to form a partnership with the actor. And so I’m listening to you as much as you’re listening to me. That is essential. A casting director can be as valuable as a good cameraman…I didn’t come to that (casting) with any formal training….You just cast the actor. Once they’ve said yes, they’re gonna work it out in the kitchen by themselves…On the set I say, “show me.” We’ll rehearse it on camera, and I go “wow” or “where did that come from” or “no.” I’ve already seen all the colours in their paintbox. I watched eight hours of Normal People (before I cast you i.e Mescal). Within that you cover a lot of emotional layer and ground.”
He considers shooting Boy and Bicycle as the defining moment of his career. He recalls being in the trunk of his father’s car – father driving it – with the Bolex and “my brother’s to the side on a bicycle. We drive underneath the bridge.” When he edited it he though it was “good.” He chased John Barry to get permission to use a piece of his music. The composer’s going rate was £1500, but after six weeks of persuasion gave in.
Next on the agenda. Possibly a sequel to Gladiator II and various other projects. But Scott has a hankering to do a musical and/or a western, set around 1829, “pre-trains with cattle catchers and pre-batwing saloon doors. Where the force of nature is the biggest enemy you’ve got.”
I reckon I’ve sampled enough of this much lengthier interview.
You can find the full, much more extensive interview here:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/nov/15/paul-mescal-ridley-scott-gladiator-ii-interview
You can catch Boy and Bicycle on YouTube
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